Trade Ideas Blog
Directions to Automated Trading Success Same as Those to Carnegie Hall
Dec 14, 2008
The videos of Trade-Ideas’ automation on our YouTube Channel offer views of our practice sessions in the market using real capital and real market situations. Viewers see the real-time idea generation alerts of Trade-Ideas PRO that’s based on the tested, trading plan results modeled in The OddsMaker and then ask, “Excuse me, can I buy or receive the strategies shown in the videos?”
Requests like that reveal a weakness in a person’s approach to trading and forecast likely disappointment in automated and regular trading. The reason points to a lack of willingness to develop the safety net of critical trading skills that inform and instruct a trader how to react instinctively when (not if) the market adapts and changes. This is one of the many messages offered in Dr. Brett Steenbarger’s highly praised, Enhancing Trader Performance.
People like Dave Mabe from StockTickr.
Below are some pretty common mistakes that people make over and over again when using the Automated Stock Trading Robot. Each of these items are lessons we’ve learned for you. Understand them and your practice sessions will be that much more productive. This is the original post that Dave created and below is our version.
- Trading Too Large, Too Soon – It’s tempting to start trading with size soon, especially when you look at the results of a backtest for a decent strategy. As with any new trading strategy, but especially with automated trading, you need to trade really small in the beginning – so small that 10 or more losing trades (with slippage!) in a row will do no emotional harm to you (I’m not kidding here).
- Trading Strategies that Trade Too Frequently – There are strategies out there that you can find pretty easily that trade over 100 times a day that appear to be really profitable in a backtest – certainly when you look at the number of dollars per day. Besides the fact that you probably don’t have the account size to trade this system profitably, taking too many trades will make it much harder to go back and examine the trades. If anything, you should start off trading too infrequently (like 50 – 100 trades over a 3 week span).
- Market vs Limit – Probably the biggest mistake that you can make at first is sending the robot to enter positions at MARKET. Market orders will cause serious slippage and you will over-trade. So far in all the videos that you see on our Youtube channel we ONLY USE LIMIT ORDERS to get into our trades. We know that we will not be in everything but the things we enter will be much closer to the backtested results in terms of entry price.
- Not Spending Time Learning Why Some Unprofitable Strategies Backtest so Well – The quicker you learn this the better off you’ll be. Once you understand why some unprofitable strategies can be made to look awesome in a backtester, you’ll learn how to recognize if the strategies you model are showing backtest success because of these reasons and you’ll be able to avoid them. Remember that the computer simply prints the price of the alert as your entry price. It simply cannot take into account the fact that your order, no matter how small, does have impact on the market. When you combine that impact on entry and add the impact on the exit what you end up with is often a losing strategy.
- Manually Overriding Your Automated System – There are situations where it makes sense to do this, but introducing your discretion makes testing and improving your performance more difficult. Remember you ran the numbers before you got started so there is no reason to think you can out guess the market just because you are watching it. For every trade you manually override and make money there will be ones that cost you significant amount of money. You are just adding uncertainty to your analysis and that is never a good thing.
- Acting Like It’s a Sprint When It’s Really a Marathon – Automated trading is not, well, automatic. It takes time and hard work and money to start off. Even if you had the systems you see on Youtube, what do you think would happen when the market dynamic shifts? Those systems will stop making money and it will be up to you to work with the software to find where the next edge is located. If you do not learn how to do that you will fail. Make sure you leave yourself plenty of rope, because it will take some time and “tuition” to figure out what works. Many times small adjustments can make a huge difference in a strategy’s performance.
- Using Stops that are Too Tight – We see this time and time again in every type of trading and it’s no different in automated trading. In fact, the effects of using stops that are too tight are magnified. You’ll have a better chance at success if you look for the loosest stops and work down if your live trade analysis concludes that they’re too loose.
As you can see, successful automated trading is still hard work just like any other kind of trading. However, the obvious benefits are simply too good for us to ignore.